A Lawyers, Guns and Money commenter:
"The Birfer theory really boggles me: I can't even understand the thought process involved. Obama's been a (very minor, initially) public figure since at least his time as editor of the Harvard Law Review, and at the very least since then there's never been any change in his biography, in which he was born to Stanley Ann Dunham in the state of Hawai'i, a birth that was announced in the local paper. What exactly do these nutcases surmise - that he wasn't born to Dunham, but instead was born to some other woman overseas and smuggled as a newborn to Dunham's hospital? What possible reason could a newlywed college student have for doing such a thing? How would it make any sense? Even in their most unhinged fantasies, why would Obama's family have plotted from his infancy to fake the location of his birth and the identity of his mother? After all, anyone born to Dunham or anyone born in Hawai'i would be a natural-born US citizen even if they'd been the hideously malformed extraterrestrial lovechild of Ming The Merciless and Josef Stalin.One thing I don't get about this is, why does the "you must produce your birth certificate!" standard apply only to Obama, and not to any other public figure or political figure in the world?
Dave Weigel, one of the better chroniclers of the Obama-era right-wing meltdown, was on with Maddow last night:
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I wish the media were more opinionated, and would give an article on the subject a headline that reads: "Congressman Doesn't Believe Obama's Birth Certificate: Is Posey Too Stupid to Serve?"
Posted by: Bill at July 22, 2009 10:27 PMMr. Obama's father was a British subject of the colony of Kenya at the time of his birth. That disqualifies Mr. Obama from the presidency, no matter where he was born. Secondly, why do Mr. Obama's paternal grandmother, the Kenyan ambassador to the United States and most Africans claim that Mr. Obama was born in a hospital in Kenya if he wasn't? Senator John McCain was asked to reveal his birth certificate last year when questions were raised about his birth in Panama (his father was a naval officer stationed in the Canal Zone). He immediately and happily supplied his official birth certificate to the satisfaction of the U.S. Senate. On the other hand, Mr. Obama has spent approximately ONE MILLION DOLLARS to fight lawsuits asking to see his birth certificate (and no, Virginia, that thing on Daily Kos/FightThe Smears was NOT a birth certificate!) it was a certificate of live birth, which won't get you a job, passport, etc. anywhere.
Posted by: Alan Srout at July 22, 2009 11:11 PMDamn, Birthers are dumb.
My New York City Certificate of Birth, which contains less information than Obama's Hawaii one, was enough to get me a passport in 2006, and to get me in and out of the country when said passport hadn't arrived in time for my trip to Aruba.
Posted by: Bill at July 23, 2009 12:29 AMYep, very unintelligent. My personal opinion is that they can't go after his race so they will go after whatever straws they can which includes his birthplace, which has been proven time and again to be Hawaii.
The world is full of ignorance and this is just one more blatant stupidity
Posted by: Chad at August 4, 2009 10:21 AMHmmm...my mother pointed out that if a person with a British father isn't eligible to be president then the following were not "really" presidents either: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Adams, and Jackson.
Seriously, all Obama's mother had to do was sneak out of the Hawaiian Islands, slip into Kenya (via what route and by what means of transportation?), give birth, and then slip back with him AND NOBODY NOTICED THIS TRIP!
Incidentally, what are the credible sources that say he spent a million bucks fighting this, or that all those people said he was born in Nairobi? Seems like they would be all over CNN if either statement had legally valid proof. Or is everybody else in on a vast conspiracy? But this is the Internet and you can make up anything you want, or want to believe what somebody else has invented.
A much better argument is that McCain wasn't really born in the US. The law granting citizenship to military residents in the Canal Zone came later. Birth certificate or not it's an open question, though fortunately a moot one.
Posted by: Richard Weil at November 16, 2009 10:11 PM
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